Now thats what I call Qatar 49 Incest: An Age-Old Taboo!

Dear All,

I am going to continue my assult on the blogging world with yet another entry! I was disappointed not to find my blog in the list for one of the worlds best blogs, however I have only been doing this for about 8-9 months iA i will be the no.1 blogger on the net, (you can tell im not short of ambitition!)

I watched the Man utd game last night against Uefa All stars and was a really enjoyable game, however didnt think the fans really got into it, and its pretty hard to get into a game where their is not much riding on it. I was watching Fox Soccer report during the half time, and it was so gay the yanks commenting on football, the only guy that had any credibility on the show was a Scottish guy, the others jus seemed like such knobs, Aneway they did make an intresting point in how Man utd and Chelsea could play each other 3 times in one week to potentially decide three competetions. If that happens that will be immense, but my biggest fear is the fact that Squad rotation will become to most important factor and everyone knows Chelseas squad pisses on everyone elses in Europe, due the endless money that was going into the club.I still tink though they UTD could win two of those 3 matches just not sure which ones. I really hope Totenham beat Chelsea, as do Valencia it will be so awesome, as though they'll have less games than UTD they will be so down their morale will be way down! So Chelsea have a game tonight, and if Man City can do their city rivals a huge favour and beat them, then you got to belive the title is heading to Old Trafford!

Well apart from footy, I been reading alot of more stuff online, and thanks Fern for the comment yesterday to the previous entry, and for all those who emailed me comments. I was reading another intresting article, which I have included below( i was going to write a summary but decdied its too hard to condense and the whole thing is generally quite intresting) and thought I would share it with you...)

Incest: an age-old taboo

Forward thinking? Napoleon dropped incest from France's penal code
As a German brother and sister take their fight for the right to a sexual relationship to the country's highest court, the BBC News website's Clare Murphy looks at the history of the incest taboo and how it is changing.

When Henry VIII wanted to be rid of Anne Boleyn, he made sure she was accused of one particularly heinous crime: sleeping with her brother.

According to the great modern anthropologist Claude Levi Strauss, the incest taboo has been the driving force of humankind. By forcing man to find a mate outside the home, disparate, warring clans have been brought together and society has flourished.

Others see the abhorrence for sleeping with relatives as having a primarily biological motive - a human instinct to prevent defective genes being passed down.

"Society has long relied on the family unit as its basis," says sociologist Vikki Bell. "That's why it has been so important to keep family roles clear."

It is not hard to see how incest can make family life very complicated, potentially turning brothers into fathers and mothers into sisters.

Yet while most are clear that sexual acts between a related adult and child constitute abuse and as such must be punished, there is no modern consensus on whether society has the right to ban consensual sex between siblings, or indeed parent and adult child.

Too close to attract

If Sigmund Freud is to be believed, everyone would be sleeping with their close relatives given half a chance. Society had to keep these deep-seated desires in check, he argued.

No need, countered Finnish anthropologist Edward Westermarck, who said that if anything, close association in childhood automatically created sexual aversion - in other words, familiarity breeds contempt.

His theory was tested in a study of unrelated children growing up together in an Israeli kibbutz. Despite the parents being keen on their children forming relationships, the children themselves had no sexual interest in one another as they began to mature.

Here lies the daughter, here lies the father, here lies the sister, here lies the brother, here lie husband and wife, and yet there are only two bodies in the grave

16th Century French poem

The theory was also backed up by another study in Taiwan by a US academic Arthur Wolf.

He looked at two forms of marriage - one in which the two partners married as adults, and another in which the wife was taken into her future husband's household as a young child, growing up with him.

The latter produced more adultery, more divorces and fewer children than the former. This, he said, indicated closeness as children stifled rather than stimulated sexual feelings.

Locked up

But these cases, which in any event did not involve actual blood relatives, fitted uncomfortably with the only well documented case of a society which embraced sibling incest outright - that of Roman Egypt.

For about 300 years, a significant proportion of all marriages recorded were between brothers and sisters.


German brother and sister Patrick and Susan did not grow up together

The relationships appear to have been both social and reproductive.


But there might have been years between the siblings given the high rate of infant mortality, so sibling husband and wives may have barely grown up together.

The phenomenon of genetic sexual attraction - where siblings fall for each other on meeting after an estranged childhood - accounts for some of the high-profile incest cases of recent years.

In the German case, Patrick was brought up in a foster home while Susan remained with the biological parents, meeting for the first time when she was 16 and he 23.

And in the US case of Allen and Patricia Muth, which went to the Supreme Court in 2005, the sister was raised in care, not meeting her brother until she was 18.

Both of them have served prison sentences for incest.


Biological risks

Both of these relationships have produced children with special needs, although whether this resulted from their parents' biological proximity is unclear.

Some geneticists put the risk of producing a disabled child as high as 50%, but this is hotly debated. Opponents of the incest ban also argue there are double standards, noting that no-one would ban those with hereditary diseases from reproducing.

In some countries, the law has tried to take into account the risks while legalising incest in certain circumstances. In Brazil, an uncle and niece may have a relationship provided they undergo health checks.

In parts of the US, first cousins may marry if they are beyond reproductive age or ability.


Our moral guardians don't need to get too worked up about this

Joachim Renzikowski, criminologist

But even in countries where incest between adults is not prosecuted, the rights of both parents and children born of incest are not clear cut.

France dropped incest from the penal code under Napoleon - 200 years ago.

But siblings may not marry, and in 2004, a man who was having a sexual relationship with his half-sister was refused legal paternity of his own child.

In the Netherlands meanwhile, where consensual incest is no longer prosecuted, the legal status of the child born of such a relationship is ambiguous, according to Masha Antokolskaia, an expert in family law at the Free University in Amsterdam.

Sweden is the only country in Europe which allows marriage between siblings who share a parent.

"In many ways society no longer wants the state to intervene in private lives when it doesn't have to," she says. "But it is still not prepared to grant incestuous couples full rights."

There is also debate over how much laws affect behaviour. Some even argue that what is proscribed becomes all the more attractive.

Not according to Joachim Renzikowski, a criminal law professor at Germany's Halle University.

"I don't believe that because incest is banned, there's a certain attraction about doing it," he says.


"But I doubt equally that getting rid of our incest law will result in any measurable increase in cases. Our moral guardians don't need to get too worked up about this."





Well I think the article raises so many questions about mankind and about our society, what is inhearietly right or wrong, why do we take offence to one thing but not another, why is incest worthy of going to jail when its two consenting adults?, does the fact that a brother and sister whom havent been brought up together make it ok to be incesterious?, I have plently more questions and thoughts that were popping into my head, but before all that I want to accredit the people who introduced me to the ideology of Incest, its those fine people who made the show Brookside, (for those who dont know it, its a British Soap, that is based in scummy Liverpool and had a storyline of a attractive sister and her brother fallin in love, it was sick ill be honest and horried plently of people in the UK).

Incest passes racial or relgious lines and is generally seen as a human diesase, i know thats quite harsh, but what I mean is, it can happen to anyone and is irrespective of anything, its like someone getting Aids, in that its fairly random and anyone from any race or relgion is equally succsectible.

I am personally against incest, and the thought of it is sickening, however is that because of the way i brought up, or the soceity around me, if as the article states I was brought up in Roman Egyptian times then would I be more accepting of incest? what is it that makes me sick, especially if its two consenting adults. I am torn in my thinking, however something that i definelty know is wrong is throwing them in prison for it, i dont see how they are hurting or endangering society by being in love with your brother/sister. America and Germany prides itself on their democract ways and if Merkel(I cant stand her personally much prefered Schroder, but thats jus the socialist in me trying to get out) does not allow that couple rights to be together then does it not go against everything they stand for.

I just dont know what to say or think regarding the topic, as i continue to write the more I get confused, as Islamically I know its wrong, but so is Homosexuality, however I also have a belief that people are entitled to do as they please, and as long as it doesnt infringe others in their beliefs or manners than it really shouldnt be a issue.

Well those are my brief thoughts ,and because they are muddled, its clear that for me the issue is one of moral conflict where it goes agaisnt your nature in so many ways that it becomes acceptable in some of the ways.



Anyway take care



Asif